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Posted by peter   3 Dec 2013 4 04 pm

Hi Alex,

During the revision of sentence structures, I am confused with the following sentence:

With the fact that everyone knows he is a liar, the saying of he is the most honest man ever is really sarcastic.

Is this grammatically correct? I am not sure the part "the saying of ....."

With the fact that everyone knows he is a liar, the saying of "he is the most honest man ever" is really sarcastic.

Would it be a good idea to put quotes before and after the "saying" that I am trying to mention?
of should I use "the saying that ..... "?

Hope my question is clearly described. Many Thanks!
Peter
 
 

Teacher
Posted by alex stringer   3 Dec 2013 10 01 pm

Hi Peter

Some more context would help: are you speaking or writing, and in either case who to and on what occasion? Still, I'd probably say something like this:

Given that everyone knows he is a liar, to say he is the most honest man ever is clearly sarcastic.

I'd keep punctuation of all kinds down to a minimum as far as possible.

Alex
 
 
Posted by peter   4 Dec 2013 12 08 am

Hi Alex,

It was in writing. The situation was that I was trying to make a sentence with my newly learned vocabulary "sarcastic" but I was not sure if my writing was grammatically correct. Particularly I was not sure how to appropriately use the word "saying".

If assuming the context can help, let's assume I'm writing an email to my friend to chat casually. And assume that a famous actress mentioned about her husband "... he is the most honest man every..."

Peter
 
 

Teacher
Posted by alex stringer   4 Dec 2013 9 50 am

'Given everyone knows he's a liar, she must have meant it sarcastically when she said he was the most honest person she had every met.'

However, are you sure she was being sarcastic? Has she split up with her husband? If you are being sarcastic, you are openly criticizing someone and it's plain for everyone to see that you are saying the opposite of what you mean. Is this the case, or was the actress defending her husband?

You will no doubt have noticed that celebrities, politicians and others in the public eye quite commonly tell the most outrageous and incredible lies to protect themselves. (At least, they do in the UK and the US).

Alex
 
 

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